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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://bradley-holt.com/2009/04/open-local-government/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just thinking about the Open Gov. Comm (OGC) the other day. I was on that committee last year. I did push for open source software, but the vibe I got from Tim Barden (the city&#039;s IT director) was that they weren&#039;t really considering it, at least not seriously. I was the only geek on the OGC so as soon as I started talking about about open source CMSs (joomla in particular) everybody&#039;s eyes kinda glazed over (except for Tim who was happy to debate with a fellow geek). The website for the city of Santa Fe seemed to be the direction most of the OGC was leaning towards.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The City&#039;s biggest challenge is staffing. Aside from the learning curve, they say they just don&#039;t have many people to input the data. I argued since they are already typing this stuff (usually into a MS Word .doc -Lame!) it wouldn&#039;t take any additional staff to type it into a database.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the biggest complaints was that the info wasn&#039;t making it to the website, or when it did, there wasn&#039;t enough notice for meetings or events. Hilariously, our first meeting did not make it on to the website. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had been wondering what had been done with our recommendations since we presented them last August. From what I can tell they haven&#039;t done much if anything (though I have yet to look closely at the development recommendations and progress).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I could babble on for a while, but instead I&#039;ll refer you to my previous blather.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;OGC &quot;Diary&quot;&lt;br /&gt;http://newnorthender.com/open-government/index.php&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Monster List&lt;br /&gt;http://newnorthender.com/open-government/ogc-monster-list.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for actually taking interest in this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Steve McIntyre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just thinking about the Open Gov. Comm (OGC) the other day. I was on that committee last year. I did push for open source software, but the vibe I got from Tim Barden (the city&#39;s IT director) was that they weren&#39;t really considering it, at least not seriously. I was the only geek on the OGC so as soon as I started talking about about open source CMSs (joomla in particular) everybody&#39;s eyes kinda glazed over (except for Tim who was happy to debate with a fellow geek). The website for the city of Santa Fe seemed to be the direction most of the OGC was leaning towards.</p>
<p>The City&#39;s biggest challenge is staffing. Aside from the learning curve, they say they just don&#39;t have many people to input the data. I argued since they are already typing this stuff (usually into a MS Word .doc -Lame!) it wouldn&#39;t take any additional staff to type it into a database.</p>
<p>One of the biggest complaints was that the info wasn&#39;t making it to the website, or when it did, there wasn&#39;t enough notice for meetings or events. Hilariously, our first meeting did not make it on to the website. </p>
<p>I had been wondering what had been done with our recommendations since we presented them last August. From what I can tell they haven&#39;t done much if anything (though I have yet to look closely at the development recommendations and progress).</p>
<p>I could babble on for a while, but instead I&#39;ll refer you to my previous blather.</p>
<p>OGC &quot;Diary&quot;<br /><a href="http://newnorthender.com/open-government/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://newnorthender.com/open-government/index.php</a></p>
<p>The Monster List<br /><a href="http://newnorthender.com/open-government/ogc-monster-list.html" rel="nofollow">http://newnorthender.com/open-government/ogc-monster-list.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks for actually taking interest in this.</p>
<p>Steve McIntyre</p>
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		<title>By: Smadraji</title>
		<link>http://bradley-holt.com/2009/04/open-local-government/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Smadraji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ryan Freebern</title>
		<link>http://bradley-holt.com/2009/04/open-local-government/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Freebern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have some very good ideas, and I agree with them wholeheartedly. I also agree that concrete and specific examples are the easiest way to encourage adoption, and if interested local techies (like you and me) could volunteer our time and effort to assist the city&#039;s IT department in getting this working, I&#039;m sure they&#039;d be much more enthusiastic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here are some things I&#039;d like:&lt;br/&gt; - an RSS feed for parking bans, so that I could set something up to send me a text message as soon as a parking ban is declared.&lt;br/&gt; - an API for retrieving past, current, and planned road work information, including location and duration, that I could mashup with Google Maps.&lt;br/&gt; - an API for retrieving information on reported and confirmed crimes and other law enforcement incidents, including latitude/longitude or street address, date and time of incident, who responded, and the result of the incident.&lt;br/&gt; - ways to look up my own personal info that the city has on file, such as my car&#039;s registration information, information on the building I live in (owner, lot details, tax info, etc.) -- as long as this info is protected from others&#039; queries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have some very good ideas, and I agree with them wholeheartedly. I also agree that concrete and specific examples are the easiest way to encourage adoption, and if interested local techies (like you and me) could volunteer our time and effort to assist the city&#8217;s IT department in getting this working, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d be much more enthusiastic.</p>
<p>Here are some things I&#8217;d like:<br /> &#8211; an RSS feed for parking bans, so that I could set something up to send me a text message as soon as a parking ban is declared.<br /> &#8211; an API for retrieving past, current, and planned road work information, including location and duration, that I could mashup with Google Maps.<br /> &#8211; an API for retrieving information on reported and confirmed crimes and other law enforcement incidents, including latitude/longitude or street address, date and time of incident, who responded, and the result of the incident.<br /> &#8211; ways to look up my own personal info that the city has on file, such as my car&#8217;s registration information, information on the building I live in (owner, lot details, tax info, etc.) &#8212; as long as this info is protected from others&#8217; queries.</p>
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		<title>By: ashawley</title>
		<link>http://bradley-holt.com/2009/04/open-local-government/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>ashawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your &quot;advice&quot; may be a bit abstract to a city official, and it doesn&#039;t specifically reference the current site, besides &quot;could certainly use a better website&quot;.  I predict they want advice in the form of a concrete answer.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, what is proprietary about the site or systems so far?  I don&#039;t know.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you want to follow what the current committee recommendations Kiss spoke of see&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.google.com/search?q=burlington+open+government+committee&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(Perhaps your next blog post?)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The election software for IRV is *loosely* free software.  So, I think free software support has legs in Burlington.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t mind the current site, IMO.  It just needs a lot of loose ends tied up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your &#8220;advice&#8221; may be a bit abstract to a city official, and it doesn&#8217;t specifically reference the current site, besides &#8220;could certainly use a better website&#8221;.  I predict they want advice in the form of a concrete answer.</p>
<p>Also, what is proprietary about the site or systems so far?  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>If you want to follow what the current committee recommendations Kiss spoke of see</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=burlington+open+government+committee" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=burlington+open+government+committee</a></p>
<p>(Perhaps your next blog post?)</p>
<p>The election software for IRV is *loosely* free software.  So, I think free software support has legs in Burlington.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind the current site, IMO.  It just needs a lot of loose ends tied up.</p>
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		<title>By: bradley-holt</title>
		<link>http://bradley-holt.com/2009/04/open-local-government/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>bradley-holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the second suggestion, using free and open source software, I should have talked more about the benefits of this approach. The city would be free to run the software however it sees fit, without fear of license restrictions. The city would be free to maintain, extend, and modify its own software as it sees fit. The city would be free to share the software, in whole or in part, to other cities that may find it useful. The city would be free to release the software to the general public so that others could benefit from this software. All of these activities would benefit the cause of open government and would not be possible through the use of proprietary software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the second suggestion, using free and open source software, I should have talked more about the benefits of this approach. The city would be free to run the software however it sees fit, without fear of license restrictions. The city would be free to maintain, extend, and modify its own software as it sees fit. The city would be free to share the software, in whole or in part, to other cities that may find it useful. The city would be free to release the software to the general public so that others could benefit from this software. All of these activities would benefit the cause of open government and would not be possible through the use of proprietary software.</p>
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		<title>By: bradley-holt</title>
		<link>http://bradley-holt.com/2009/04/open-local-government/comment-page-1/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>bradley-holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jani Good point about government websites integrating with existing proprietary software. I&#039;d hate to see them become more entrenched in proprietary software based on existing lock-in but you make a very valid point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@whereofwecannotspeak Good ideas! I&#039;ve always hated the idea of an &quot;archive&quot; on the web - if you need an archive, that means you didn&#039;t think through the fact that your information architecture should have factored in chronology to begin with. For example, blogs typically don&#039;t need an &quot;archive&quot; because they&#039;re based on chronology to begin with. Interesting idea too about showing all edits ever (like a wiki). That could certainly help with transparency and let people raise questions when data/content is changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jani Good point about government websites integrating with existing proprietary software. I&#8217;d hate to see them become more entrenched in proprietary software based on existing lock-in but you make a very valid point.</p>
<p>@whereofwecannotspeak Good ideas! I&#8217;ve always hated the idea of an &#8220;archive&#8221; on the web &#8211; if you need an archive, that means you didn&#8217;t think through the fact that your information architecture should have factored in chronology to begin with. For example, blogs typically don&#8217;t need an &#8220;archive&#8221; because they&#8217;re based on chronology to begin with. Interesting idea too about showing all edits ever (like a wiki). That could certainly help with transparency and let people raise questions when data/content is changed.</p>
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		<title>By: whereofwecannotspeak</title>
		<link>http://bradley-holt.com/2009/04/open-local-government/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>whereofwecannotspeak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that the city web site should make it easy to access its historical content,  either via an &quot;archive&quot; or a more real-time mechanism that stores content in a database (as e.g. wikis do).  It doesn&#039;t do much for accountability if controversial content, data, etc. can later be &quot;fixed&quot; by city employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that the city web site should make it easy to access its historical content,  either via an &#8220;archive&#8221; or a more real-time mechanism that stores content in a database (as e.g. wikis do).  It doesn&#8217;t do much for accountability if controversial content, data, etc. can later be &#8220;fixed&#8221; by city employees.</p>
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		<title>By: Jani</title>
		<link>http://bradley-holt.com/2009/04/open-local-government/comment-page-1/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Jani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with what you&#039;re saying, there is a small issue in saying that governments should use open-source software etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Consider the fact that a lot of governments are already using Windows based servers (at least over here), or other proprietary software. Interfacing them with software from other manufacturers can be much more costly and difficult, than say getting a Windows server and building a site with ASP.NET.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, this highly depends on whether or not there is a dependency on old systems with such software. In such case, it&#039;s a matter of justifying the possibly greater cost of development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with what you&#8217;re saying, there is a small issue in saying that governments should use open-source software etc.</p>
<p>Consider the fact that a lot of governments are already using Windows based servers (at least over here), or other proprietary software. Interfacing them with software from other manufacturers can be much more costly and difficult, than say getting a Windows server and building a site with ASP.NET.</p>
<p>Of course, this highly depends on whether or not there is a dependency on old systems with such software. In such case, it&#8217;s a matter of justifying the possibly greater cost of development.</p>
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